Albert Ellis doing REBT with Jeffrey Guterman (expanded)

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Albert Ellis doing rational emotive behavior therapy (REBT) with Jeffrey Guterman during telephone session on March 8, 1986. In the 1990s, Guterman shifted to a solution-focused approach and developed his own model called solution-focused counseling; see http://www.jeffreyguterman.com. This excerpt includes audio commentary in 2006 from Jeffrey Guterman. Here is a portion of the transcript from this session, including some of Guterman's 2006 commentary: {Guterman 2006: Now listen real close, you'll hear the phone ringing at the Institute for Rational-Emotive Therapy. The secretary answers.} Secretary: Institute. Guterman: Hi. I have a Ten o'clock appointment. Ellis: Hello. Guterman: Yes. Doc Ellis. Ellis: Yeah? Guterman: How are you? Ellis: Okay. Want to talk louder? Guterman: Yeah. Jeff Guterman here. Ellis: Yeah. Right. Guterman: Can you hear me okay? Ellis: Yeah. I can hear you fairly well. Guterman: Okay. Um. I have a half hour session? Ellis: Yeah. Guterman: Uh, is there an hour available, if necessary? Ellis: No, I have somebody else who is going to call in from Texas. Guterman: Oh. Okay. {Guterman 2006: I was trying to see if I could get an hour session but I couldn't.} Guterman: Yeah, well I've been hopelessly depressed. Ellis: You've been what? Guterman: Hopelessly depressed. Ellis: About? Guterman: Uh... {Guterman 2006: Now that question, uh, that question right there, "About?," you see, Ellis just says, "About?," now that one question is aimed at identifying the A, the Activating event in rational emotive behavior therapy. Now let's see if the client—me—is able to do it.} Guterman: Now that I'm talking to you about it, it seems very strange. Ellis: Yeah. {Guterman 2006: There's silence. And notice how Ellis is comfortable with the silence or at least ostensibly he allows the silence to go on.} Guterman: I don't know what to say. Ellis: I can't hear you. Guterman: Yeah, I don't know... Ellis: You got to talk louder. Guterman: Yeah, I'm not saying anything. Ellis: Yeah. Guterman: I don't know, I don't know what to say. Ellis: Right. But what are you depressed about? {Guterman 2006: Okay. So, Ellis persists at asking, "What are you depressed about?" Again, aiming to identify the Activating event, the A in rational emotive behavior therapy.} Guterman: Well, a series of events. Ellis: Yeah. Guterman: One was I took my car in and I found out I had to, uh, spend over $600. Ellis: Alright, so that's unfortunate, but what are you telling yourself? That it's horrible? Or what? Guterman: Yeah. Pretty much so. {Guterman 2006: Okay, so Ellis, here, uses what he might consider to be more of the inelegant disputing method by parroting the rational belief which is that, "That's unfortunate, but not horrible, terrible, etcetera" versus the Socratic method, "Where is the evidence that it's horrible?" which he might use in some cases.} Ellis: Right. But you better go back to, "It's a royal pain in the ass, but I could live with it!." Guterman: Well... Ellis: Because you can. Guterman: Huh? Ellis: Because you can. Guterman: I know that and I know I'll have no choice.

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